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Friday, February 7, 2014

Is Ham’s version of creationism theologically viable?




 One blogger likened the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham to the experience of being invited to a basketball game only to realize that the host brought tennis rackets instead of basketballs.  This is perhaps the best analogy for the debate.  The subject was, “Is creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern, scientific era?”  Bill Nye arrived ready to talk about science.  Ken Ham, on the other hand, came with tennis rackets ready to talk about theology.  He began his opening statement saying that, “The creation/evolution debate is really a conflict between two philosophical worldviews…”[1]  With that statement he threw science out the window and began to explain his philosophical position.

Pulling in short videos from actual scientists who also happen to be young earth creationists, it was as if Ham organized the debate to simply say to the world, “Hey we do science too!”  His main argument was that creationists do excellent “observational science” but they disagree with Nye about “historical science.”  With this novel approach Ham insisted that whatever secular scientists (by that he means mainstream science) or creationists (by that he means his school of thought) say about the past is only speculation at best.  They can use the same observed data and come to different conclusions about the past. And that’s ok, because none of us were there!

As a viewer, I became excited that Ham would then use this observational science to show how the earth and the universe could be about 6,000 years old.  That would, after all, stick to the subject of the debate.  Instead Ham explained that we know the universe is only 6,000 years old because the Bible says so.  The Bible is the word of God, so we should trust it. 

Nye on the other hand, focused on the subject of the debate and gave example after example of scientific observation that pointed toward a 13 billion (or so) year old universe.  IF this were a science debate, Ham would have carefully considered these examples and shown how they really point toward a young universe.  Oh the joy I would have had IF it were a science debate.  Instead, Ham began huddling behind his podium like a young child saying, “Nuh ah, the Bible says the universe is young, and I trust that more than science.” Bill Nye summarized it well when he said, “I give you lion’s teeth, you give me bible passages.”

Needless to say, I was unimpressed, though not surprised by the debate.  The Science Guy talked science and the Fundamentalist Christian Guy talked theology…kinda.  Many times I turned to my wife and said, “Ken isn’t debating science with Bill anymore! He’s trying to debate theology with me!”  And so to honor the sneaky true spirit of the debate I would like to raise the following debate question:

Is Ham’s version of creationism theologically viable?

From the debate about science, I learned these fundamentals about Ken Ham’s faith:
    
  1. The Bible is the foundation for Christian faith.
  2. The Bible is the Word of God.
  3.  Jesus believed in a young earth/six day creation.
  4. When the genre is historical narrative (Gen 1 and 2), the content of the Bible gives infallible scientific truth.
  5. The Bible is a unique book that gives more answers than any other religious book.

Let’s consider these points in reverse order.

5.   The Bible is a unique book that gives more answers than any other religious book.  Ham’s elaboration on this belief came with the last question of the debate, “What more than anything do you base your beliefs upon?”  He wanted Nye and us viewers to be impressed by the uniqueness of the Bible in trying to answer ultimate questions in life: Where did the universe come from?  Where did humanity come from?  Why is there sin?  Isn’t it fantastic that no other religious book grapples with these questions? I mean other than the Quran.  And the Vedas. And the Tipitaka.  And the Babylonian account of creation, Enuma Elish.  In this creation account divine spirits pre-exist creation.  The world is created in this order: light, firmament, dry land, heavenly lights, and humans.  When it was complete, the gods rested.[2]   Please don’t misunderstand, the Israelite description of YHWH’s creation takes these abundantly common themes and reinterprets them to cast a new vision of their God.   But we cannot claim that Genesis’ cosmology is particularly unique.  In fact it was quite common (and unlike our contemporary cosmology).

Taken from Reading the Old Testament, 115

4.  When the genre is historical narrative (Gen 1 and 2), the content of the Bible gives infallible scientific truth.  When asked if the Bible should be taken literally, Ham fumbled about to ultimately affirm that historical narrative (into which he believes Gen 1 and 2 belong) should be taken literally and do give reliable information about that history.  There are two significant assumptions in this affirmation.  Firstly, that historical narrative gives infallible scientific truth.  Scripture is primarily a theological book that gives theological insights into historical events.  Even in the case of historical narrative, the purpose is not to give some objective view of what happened (an altogether Modern expectation of historical documents).  Rather the authors and the communities that read the narratives are interested in what it says about God and their community composition.  It assumes the prevalent cosmology and interprets God’s interactions with His people.  For example in Joshua 10:13 (historical narrative) we read that the Sun stood still and the Moon stopped.[3]  Are we to reject the heliocentric view of our solar system because the Bible says that the Sun moves around the earth and thus has the capacity to stop in its orbit?  I hope not. Obsessing over the scientific and historical validity of this passage misses the point of v 14, “Surely the LORD was fighting for Israel.” 

The second assumption is that Genesis 1 and 2 are historical narrative.  Given the repetitive, poetic, hymn-like structure many interpreters do not consider this to be historical narrative.  The fantastical elements like talking serpents, clay-idol humans, and trees that bear virtues as fruit, lead most to conclude that this is a mythological piece meant to vividly and pictorially depict a theological view of the person and creation.  It actually reads better as a polemical piece against the creation accounts of Babylon and Egypt than it does as a historical or scientific textbook.  In my opinion, while Ken Ham obsessed over secular humanists hijacking the word “science,” I would suggest that Ham hijacked this obviously mythological narrative.

3. Jesus believed in a young earth/six day creation.   For rooting everything he believes on the Bible, this is simply an incredible statement for Ken to make.  The basis of this point is that Jesus referenced the creation accounts to make a historical statement.  Matthew 19:4-5, “ He answered, ‘Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?” Ken said, “He quoted from Genesis as literal history.”  We can say for certain that Jesus quoted from Genesis.  But putting words into Jesus’ mouth that Genesis 1 and 2 is literal history?  Isn’t that what we call eisegesis or rather, “making god in our own image?”

2.  The Bible is the Word of God.  It would seem that I would need to add very little here, but I wanted to cast a nuanced view. A simple question may be, “What is the word of God in the Bible?”  The Word of God came to John in the wilderness (Luke 3:2). The crowds pressed in to hear Jesus preach the Word of God (Luke 5:1). In the parable of the sower, the seeds represent the word of God (Luke 8:1).  In John’s prologue Jesus is the word of God (John 1).  One way the New Testament treats the “word of God” is that it is not a book at all.  The word of God is a revelation of God or in the case of John, the word of God is a person.  In the incarnation, Jesus is the definitive word of God.  Jesus is the “fullness of all Revelation.”[4]  In the person of Christ (not a book) God is made known and effects change in the world.  The New Testament contains primitive witness to the Christ event.  Yet the New Testament never claims to possess the entirety of divine revelation nor the entirety of the Christ event.  In fact just the opposite is true: “But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written” (John 21:25).

1. The Bible is the foundation for Christian faith.  What then is the foundation of the Christian faith?  Lest we succumb to idolatry, the foundation of the Christian faith is not a book, but a person: Christ.  It is Christ whom the Church preaches (1Cor 1).  This is why when Ken was asked if anything would change his mind, I was astonished to hear that he went back to a defense of a book.  He insisted that his view of Genesis would never be disproved and thus he would never change his religious beliefs.  But the New Testament insists that our faith is in vain, not if Genesis 1 and 2 is not taken as science, but our faith is in vain if Christ has not been raised from the dead (1Cor 15).  Our Christian faith rises and falls on Christ.  When Christ ascended to the Father, He did not drop a book from heaven.  Christ sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Church and lead it into all truth (John 16:13).  It was the apostolic preaching of Christ done by the Church, empowered by the Holy Spirit that spread the message of salvation.  This occurred before the New Testament was written.  For a few hundred years there was not even consensus about what made up the New Testament.  Christ is the foundation for Christian faith, not a book.


Bill Nye keenly pointed out that Ken Ham is a minority with his dealings with science and his approach to Christianity.  Is Ham’s version of creationism theologically viable?  By misinterpreting and misrepresenting the genre and theological thrust of the creation accounts, by putting words into Jesus’ mouth, and by coming close to a bibliolatry, Ham’s approach is not theologically viable.  Scripture is a source for truth about God, but the extra-biblical assumption that it contains all truth about history and science is simply that: extra-biblical.  It is outside the scope of what the Bible claims for itself and outside the rich intellectual tradition of the Church.


[1] Please note that this wasn’t a debate between evolution and creation or creationism.  It was a debate as to the scientific viability of Ham’s creationism.
[2] Lawrence Boadt. Reading the Old Testament: An introduction.  (Paulist Press: New York, 1984), 117.
[3] In our contemporary view of the solar system, the sun stands still as the earth rotates and orbits.  For the sun to appear to have stopped in the sky it would be the earth that would have stopped.  But the text says that the sun stopped.
[4] DeiVerbum Paragraph 2.

9 comments:

  1. I've encountered a few people who have insisted young earth is viable, when I do, I present them with these questions to think about:
    Everything that can be observed shows that the universe is very old. It is possible that God could have created the universe only 6000 years ago. But, why would he have created so many observable examples that show the universe is very old, would he purposefully mislead us? Also being infinite power and existing outside of our universe, what logic is there in creating a universe very quickly to then just slow it down?

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  2. I've heard suspicions that what looks like an old universe is a result of sin. The corruption of the cosmos leads to our inability to adequately observe it. Perhaps God didn't mean to mislead us?

    My opinion is that if the universe appears really old, and God created the laws of nature through which we could determine that the universe is very old, then it would seem most likely that its not the science that's wrong, but my interpretation of the creation accounts.

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    1. Or that the assumptions I am using in conjunction with the laws of nature are wrong...

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  3. So, I don't honestly know enough about either camp to have a logical discussion about it. It does appear that Ham did not really come prepared to debate scientifically this issue of creationism vs. evolution. If this was a true debate comparing apples to apples, he would have had to bring in the facts that Creationism claims to disprove the earth's "oldness". So, I would be interested in another discussion, perhaps, on the "facts" of Creationism. I know I have a museum near me that is a Creationist museum (field trip anyone?). I have never been, but am intrigued. I have a document from that museum called "Stones and Bones: Powerful evidence against evolution" that I would like to get through and discuss.

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  4. Hi Jennifer,

    Thanks for your comment. I encourage you to either watch the debate or look up another synopsis of each argument as this post makes it pretty clear that I have a strong opinion. As I wanted to get to the theological side of the debate, I admit I did not summarize the science that Ham tried to bring into the conversation. Its my opinion it was not compelling, but it may be worth looking into.

    Going right to the source of creationism is always a good idea. I encourage you, if you know any Christian scientists who are not young earth creationists, ask them for a mainline analysis of the details. From my very limited experience, "creation museums" tend to use obscure data and stretch it to match what they think the bible says. That's why I argue that young earth creationism is guilty of doing injustice to science. They have a conclusion (what the bible says) and pick out data to reach their conclusions. Its a backward way of doing science and is akin to proof-texting from the bible.

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    1. This is where I actually thought Ham did a great job by separating the "sciences." His understanding of historical science was correct, but Nye couldn't see through his own hatred of God to understand what Ham was saying.

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  5. Hi folks,

    Let me add in my few cents to the issue raise by Daniel above.
    Let me start by saying that neither debater did all that well during the debate. Nye had some great points that could have been easily countered (but Ham did not). Ham had great insight that seemed to confuse Nye (who could not counter).

    Here is why the debate was a dud:
    1) Scientifically, Darwinian evolutionary theory and the Big Bang Theory are two separate issues, which neither side admitted two. Darwinian evolution speaks about human origins where the BB Theory speaks about origins of the universe. Kent Ham could have saved a lot of time by defining this distinction from the onset, ensuring that the debate defined their terms. I think there is no doubt that a Christian can believe in the Big Bang because there is sufficient evidence supporting it - the Christian worldview simply says God was the cause of the Big Bang where naturalists say nothing was the cause (or we don't know what the cause is). Had Ham presented this view, Nye would have had a difficult time painting the picture that Christians deny "science."

    2) While the Universe appears to be very old, life on Planet Earth does not. A simple explanation for this could be the idea that the Spirit of God hovered over the deep in Genesis 1 (could that be space...etc...I don't know, but you can't rule it out). So again, argueing the age of the earth and the age of the universe I feel are two separate issues. Nye said at one point that there isn't enough "time" for the species to replicate to account for the present variety - however, there isn't enough time for Darwinian evolution - so this is a weakness that Ham should have presented. Why does Nye have a problem with time there but not with his own theory?

    3. Ham answer for taking the Bible literally was incomplete and underdeveloped. What he should have said is "Yes, I take the Bible literally for how it is written." If it is a poem, I read and interpret it like a poem. If it is history, the same thing. Nye didn't seem to understand the differences between literary genres, which is surprising given he can obviously read - does he read a newspaper, poem, scientific journal the same way. I doubt it. But it doesn't make the information in those genres any less true. The problem with Genesis is that it is both a historical narrative as well as a Hebrew poem. One can't deny the imagery. The balance the Christian must always keep is making sure they are reading it the way it was intended to be read. In addition, Nye's understanding of early man is wrong. The idea of "primitive" man is simply not supported by historical evidence. Nye believes that modern man is somehow more "sophisticated" than early man, but that simply is not true. One could argue that we are getting dumber...

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    1. Adam,

      Thanks for your thought out response! I'll reply point by point.

      1. One thing that I respected about Bill Nye during the debate is that he did a nice job distinguishing Ken Ham from other Christian groups. A few times during the debate he commented on how he knows religious people who receive a lot from their religions, but who are still great scientists in conformity with the wider scientific community. Its my view that he did more justice to the Christian worldview than did Ken Ham. Perhaps I should write a post about that!?
      It would have helped immensely to distinguish the Big Bang from biological evolution. It was Ken Ham's job to do so. As the debate was about the viability of Ham's creationism, Bill Nye simply needed to show that the universe or at least the stars in the universe are much older than 6,000 years. Part of the current cosmology that explains the old universe is a Big Bang. Ham should have dealt with this. (oh and I agree that the BB fits into a Christian worldview.)
      2. Thank you for bringing this up. The age of the earth and the age of the universe are certainly different, and we would all benefit from engaging with this reality. Making the distinction between the two doesn't help Ham out in any significant way. He is committed to the creation of the dry land on earth on Day 4 and then 24 hours later to the creation of the moon and stars. If we are to take Gen 1 as a narration of the actual occurrence of things, the earth existed before the stars and moon. If there are stars that are older than the earth, then we have to at least say that Ham's sequence is wrong....or rather not in line with science (observational or otherwise).

      3. At this point I feel that Nye did Christians and the biblical text more justice than did Ham. Nye said that not all Christians read the creation accounts as history. Ham insisted that it was historical narrative even stretching his claims so far as to say that Jesus believed so! Nye essentially said, "It sounds like you can be a Christian and read this differently." Ham said, "I guess other Christians could read it differently, but I question their view of biblical innerancy." It was Ham, not Nye that is unaware of the literary genre.

      I couldn't agree more about the sad assumption that contemporary humans are more sophisticated.

      Do you have any thoughts about my comments on the theological viability of Ham's position?

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  6. Daniel,

    I have to approach this question very carefully. When it comes to understanding and interpreting the Bible, we need to be cautious, making sure that we are letting Scripture interpret Scripture and not our own bias and feelings.

    Deuteronomy 29:29 "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law." Essentially, God is saying don't go beyond what is written, because then theology gets "messed up." More Christians and pastors need to follow this.

    Again, I think the problem with the viability of Ham's position is that there is no distinction between the Earth and the Universe. This is a major flaw to what he is trying to say. Because of this, the true things that he does say gets blurred into the rest, making it hard to understand.

    My personal belief is that looks can be deceiving. Things can appear to be one thing but in reality the complete opposite. Let me give you an example, the human body can be deceiving. Everyone ages differently, and so one person can look extremely old yet be really young, and vice versa. This is where I agree with Ham's position: historical science comes wrapped with all sorts of assumptions and pre-conceived notions. Ham admitted this, Nye could not. If my assumption is an old earth, all the evidence I see I will interpret it as such. If I assume a young earth, same problem. In terms of "dating" we can't know the age of anything...that is a fact. I can only describe what I see, but I can't travel back in time. I can't prove to you beyond a doubt that I am 30 years old. Evolutionists like Nye simply can't admit that their dating methods are flawed and loaded with logical fallacies (e.g. circular reasoning).

    So what can I do? What can I know? I can only know that which God decided to reveal to us. Last time I checked, God didn't give us a date. He simply said "In the beginning..." I don't know about the "days" - I can surmise based on time periods and historical data, but I can't know for sure. What can I know? That Jesus believed "In the beginning..." and that he was present during the creation of the world. The problem with Ham is that his "Creation model" becomes his gospel and causes his theology to suffer.

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